Screw Loose Change gets rid of Holocaust denying 911Debunker~
With LOTS of Jenny's help.
A Cautionary Tale in Three Acts
ACT I: In which we lay out what has gone before
Thus was "Screw Loose Change" born, a blog run by JamesB and Patrick Curtiss, whose raison d'etre is to challenge everything "of" Loose Change" including what the creators had for breakfast. Okay, Jenny exagerates--I haven't heard Jason or Dylan's eating habits questioned--yet. The point is, the blog exists to tell everyone how "Loose Change " is wrong, even when it's right. And the comments forums are infested with "debunkers" whose raison d'tre is have a place where they can feel good mocking people they don't agree with. Well, consenting adults and all that. But while "Loose Change" was the orginial focus of disparagment, soon all aspects of the 911Truth Movement were grist for their "debunking" mill--even the dead obvious one, that, even if the official story was correct, everyone in charge should have been fired for gross incompetence. Months passed and, in spite of Pat and James efforts, as well as many other "debunkers", the Truth Movement would just not go away. It was time to turn up the volume. It was time to drag in the Holocaust.
What the bleeding hell does the Holocaust have to do with the 911Truth Movement, you ask? Well, nothing--except that it is the last ditch effort by all those concerned to discredit ANY and ALL questioning about the official story of 911. And so Pat and Mike, sorry, Pat and James, jumped the "Truthers are Holocaust deniers" bandwagon, with occasional help from their dis-info mate, Nico Haupt. And what a rollicking ride that bandwagon was! Starting in September with this entry:
...never did they seem to past up an oportunity to conflate Holocaust denial with 911Truth. No matter how tenuous the connection, for months they hammered this theme, until they'd have you believe the majority of 911Truther's denied the Holocaust. Equally shrill are the semi-regular insinuations by many debunking individuals that 911Blogger tolerates Holocaust deniers, in spite of the fact we have exactly one who is always rated into obscurity.
(For the record Jenny knows of no Holocaust deniers in her local 911truth group. Jenny has never personally knowingly met a Holocaust denier. While Jenny is certain they DO exsist, clearly they are a fringe to ALL groups--if they were as common as Pat and the "debunkers" at his blog would have us believe, surely Jenny would have tripped over one by now.)
As the 911Accountability confrence in Arizona drew near, the shrill hysterial was cranked up at Screw Loose Change: ONE THE ORGANIZERS IS A HOLOCAUST DENIER! When the organizers removed this man from any precived position of authority, this wasn't good enough for Screw Loose Change: THE HOLOCAUST DENIER IS STILL THERE AS A VENDOR, they screeched. Yes, boys--and girls, presumably--a vendor, which means he had to pay to sell stuff. Take a valium. Lacking new matterial, SLC change kept up the hysteriacal HE'S STILL THERE, BREATHING! diatribe in the days up to the con. Then Pat crashed the gig, undercover as a Jone's fan, accompanied by Stephen Lemon, who, being a prat, tried to start some shite and almost got himself thrown out.
Well they got pics of the event--did you get my good side?--and blogged their little Hardy Boys adventure, and I'm sure were going to have great fun over the weekend mocking the "Holocaust denying Truthers". And then it happened to them--a Holocasut denying 911 DEBUNKER came to their site to set them straight.
Yep, they must have forgotten their debate mates JoanBasil and nesNYC, among others. Frankly it was only going to be a matter of time before another would come by. Ignoring these inevitable probabilities one "debunker" has gone off the deep end with his own conspiracy theory, but more on that later.
So this new debunker, with the handle of "Paul Revere" and speaking with what sounds like an attempt at being an old fashioned gentleman, claims he doesn't deny Jews died in WWII, just that it was a Holocaust:
>>>Paul Revere said...
Shawn: I agree with you lad. But perhaps it would be good to email the convention organizers? What will they say?
However, your hot temperament, well inspired to be sure, perhaps over looks some of the historical similarities to the construction of the Holocaust myth and the construction of the 911 myth. Both are rooted in the machinations of a media elite.
This is NOT to saw murder was not done against many during the great war, only that it has been exaggerated, as 911"Truthers" exaggerate the culpability of our great government.
Truth be told, America has NEVER done wrong, no matter how many would slander her or our great President Bush who is doing everything in his power to protect us from the true terrorists.
24 February, 2007 12:29 <<<Whatever. By the rigorous standards Pat and James have set up, this boy should be gone pronto. What's good for the goose, and all that. But when Jenny challenges them they say:
The comments on our site are pretty much unmonitored, it says so at the top. They do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Pat or I. Hell, even you post there, and we have not removed your annoying and pointless posts. All sorts of people post there, we do not have a system like here, where you vote on posts you like or not, and we don't go through and ban people that disagree with us like on the Loose Change Forum.
Hmm. Now if he came to 911Blogger, and we didn't do SOMETHING, he'd be all over us--hang about, double standard much?
So, you think it's okay to tolerate people at your blog who deny the Holocaust happened without challenging them or throwing them out? And since these people's post in no way reflect your views--much as Williams in no way reflects the views of most 911activists--we shouldn't judge your blog by the people you tolerate--even if it's a Holocaust denier?
Hasn't the bulk of the SLC recent "news" been primarily criticism about the 911con and how tolerating William's presence is an endorsement of his positions? So, from that, I can conclude your tolerance of Paul Revere and his calling the Holocaust a myth on your blog is YOUR and PAT endorsement of that view.
Sorry, James, no double standards for YOU. And I know for a fact, from watching the Nico, mini-Nico drama over there, you CAN and DO delete posts you think cross a line. You'd think after all of your yammering, Holocaust denial on your own comment's thread would be one of those lines.
You'd think, but you'd be wrong.
How's them apples?
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
Poor James didn't know what hit him. He was so stunned his response got knocked out of sequence to the second page:
We tolerate 9/11 deniers on our blog, are you proposing that we start deleting their comments and banning them because we disagree with them and find them offensive?
This is a completely different analogy. We aren't criticizing the 9/11 conspiracy movement because of a few random comments. Hell, if we did that we could make 20 posts a day just off of 9/11 blogger and the Loose Change forum alone, we would never get anything else done. This was about someone who was helping organize a major conference for your movement, not some anonymous person.
Hmm. Sounds reasonable. Pity they hadn't been reasonable in the past:
But once the organizers make him back out--couldn't have been that key of a person if they could force him out, twit--you lot STILL were at it: he's still there, he's still going, blah-blah-blah.
You will not live this down. I'll make certain of it--as a favor to everyone everywhere. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO STOP HOLOCAUST DENIAL ON YOUR FORUM AND YOU REFUSE TO USE IT.
Maybe you'll think twice about shrieking "the 911truthers are just like Holocaust deniers" in future.
Any reason you put this HERE instead of up where we were in the thread? Hang about--let me help you...
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
And then Brainless comes by with this revealing gem:
We're Happy to Let Holocaust/9-11 Deniers Post In Our Comments
So he admits the whole campaign to make 911Truth look like a bunch of Holocaust deniers is A LIE to make us look bad. But he's over-looked something:
The only problem, Brainless, is that a) he's a Holocaust denier WHO'S A DEBUNKER LIKE YOU, and b) you lot have shrieked so much, for so long about how Truthers tolerate Holocaust denial--well there's really no dignified way out for you sods, now is there?
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.Submitted by Col. Jenny Sparks on Sun, 02/25/2007 - 1:39am
See this thread here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/6428#comment-119102
The double standard at their own blog is little better, vacillating between "what? where?" obliviousness and preferring to attack ME:
Col. Jenny Sparks said... Apparently CHF isn't very observant. Fortunately James is, sort of:
- And then there's TAM who doesn't think engaging Mr. Revere is a priority:
Yep, James, I'd stick to cartoons too--anything to ignore the Holocaust denier among the 911debunkers.
Pot meet kettle.
While I am not referring to you in particular, Jenny, the movement you associate yourself is so full of holocaust deniers, there is barely room for those who arent within.
As for the issue itself, I wouldnt touch it with a thousand foot pole.
Saturday, February 24, 2007
Kudos to Jenny Sparks
For pointing out that somehow we picked up a Holocaust Denying Debunker. Paul Revere's comments are in the process of being removed from the blog. Thank you for pointing this out to us, Jenny.
Yes, you're right--I just left a nice post there for you lot.
Mind, I had to drag you and JamesB kicking and screaming to see the hypocracy. Still, I was gracious--at your blog:
Unfortunately, your otherwise cunning plan to shut me up about this is hampered by your own history--you do remember rabbiting on and on, AFTER Williams was removed as an authority at the 911Confrence?
Don't worry, I'll be witty and fair; instead of going on and on about how you tolerate and justify Holocaust denial on your site, I'll just go on and on about how I had to MAKE YOU walk your own talk.
Just this once, I'll even call you Brainster--thank you, Brainster.
Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
Meanwhile, for further hilarity, Sword of Truth has succumbed to gibbering, paranoid hysteria, claiming the Screw Loose Change comments are littered with my sock-puppets. Okay, that's an exageration of his "claim"--but not by much.
Perhaps also, they should reconsider their "passion" for hating or despising those with which they disagree. If 911 truth did not exist, what would they do with yourselves? It says much that they NEED us for their blog to exist--but we do not NEED them. If 911Truth is wrong it will show in time.( Yes, SLC thinks it shows now, but they're still not NEEDED)
"Screw Loose Change" has no heart. At no point when I read the blog, or many of the fans posting, do I get the impression that they care about people. Because that's what it's about--helping people. If you believe what you are doing is really helping people, then do it. But the dominant tone is contempt for people who disagree with them. People who care about people, even if they disagree with them, don't put them down JUST FOR DISAGREEING with them. Perhaps for their BEHAVIOR during disagreement, but not for disagreeing. It is not the first time I've observed this theme amoung "debunkers"--"you disagree ergo you're an idiot"--JUST BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE.
The comment's forum is stale. The same debunkers say the same things with the same contempt. If Screw Loose Change wants to rise above more than a joke, they need to find some heart. There's no other way to win.
THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE ARE THE ONES WE ARE HELPING.
IT TAKES HEART TO REMEMBER THAT.