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Part 5- “Killtown”, Lew Rockwell and the Ludwig von Mises Institute
Killtown as anyone can see from his yahoo profile came on the scene in March of 2002, literally months after 9/11.
Before that he was a active in the Libertarian Party, and even before that he admits to being active in the Greens:
So it isn't completely fair to assume his 9/11truth involvement was phony; clearly he was interested in politics before. But how genuine was his previous interest? Its speculation, but switching from Green to Libertarian is a bit odd. It sounds more like he was a Green because of the hot chicks and drugs, and the Libertarian switch was discovering a conservative culture that he could be comfortable with and still get hot chicks and drugs. Again this is speculation, but it would explain why “KT” finds right-wing nutters comfortable company—to him that is normal. I wouldn't be surprised to discover his family as hard core Republicans with strong “Christian Values”. That's perfect recipe for raging hypocrisy later in life.
Another odd bit was his choice of screen name. “Killtown”? Seriously? Are is he trying to put people off? There was an 80's rap group. Maybe “KT” was a fan. There was also an African American group who I'd suspect is truly irritated with “KT” hijacking their search results. They probably changed their name.... Right, “Killtown” makes sense as a band name challenging the culture—not so much if one's really trying to get people to look into 911truth. As a name for an supposed antiwar activist, it's frankly offensive—especially used by a white boy. He's not alone in this in your face counter productive naming among supposed truthers. Somewhere out there is a user called “europeangenocide” and another called “catrapesdog”. More relevant are email addys called “slicingthroats” and “removingheads”, also from roughly the same period. Its like someone wanted a bunch of off-putting names to go with the drivel they'd soon publish.
One of “Killtown”s first haunts was APFN. APFN is short for American Patriots Friends Network. “Killtowns” posts go back to at least 2003:
9-11 + Rice Calls Bush
Thu Oct 9 04:26:24 2003
What's curious about the IP address “KT” used is other people posting at APFN used it as well.
SECRET PROBE OF STOCK DEALINGS BEFORE 9/11
Sun May 8, 2005 21:39
That seems to imply a network Killtown --and others—had access to, for the express purpose of posting to APFN. It is NOT a proxy service. It is a static corporate ip address owned by Extreme Zone in Mesa, AZ:
That sounds like a service APFN was paying for its users to post through. Nothing wrong with that in theory, but is shows someone representing APFN spent money so people could the Extreme Zone ip like a proxy service. Whomever paid for that service could be held culpable in the later slander and attacks the list was used for.
Other people used this network, notably Lisa Guliani:
Lisa GulianiRight-wing operative Marsha McCleland defending Terry Schiavo's “life”
# 9-11 on Trial
Fri Feb 11, 2005 02:56
Life or death matter>>>I saw Terri Schiavo on the news and s
Wed Feb 23, 2005 23:00
I saw Terri Schiavo on the news and she "WAS" very much alert>>>>>>>>
How could they think of killing her...Because in her case...removing the tube would kill her...Her husband should be tarred and feathered and then beat to a pulp...Please take a moment to sign and send to others...What if she were one of your own
Shame on "US"...barbarians and savages, we are, if we don't help this woman and her loving and suffering parents...Please take a moment and sign it...
And—surprise, surprise, Webfairy:
The WebfairyLeaving aside the extreme unlikelihood of anyone hosting material on their personal website they'll be held responsible for and not knowing whose material it is, its notable how many people who would later be trouble can be found on the APFN network.
Re: Was Not an Attack it was Murder
Fri Mar 26 15:01:37 2004
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The killtown site is not my work. I just host it for someone anonymous even to
At the very least American Patriots Friends Network has an agenda of pushing right-wing extremism. They don't like discussion and they don't play nice if they're crossed—which can be just asking them a simple question;
At the most the are crytpo fascists and racists of the worst kind-- and here's a message from David Duke to prove it:
D.D.Wow. David Duke. THE David Duke. And Killtown and the rest were on this email list...how could they have missed DAVID sodding “KKK” DUKE?
Michael Chertoff, Homeland Nominee Aided a 911 Terrorist
Sun Jan 23, 2005 14:07
January 23, 2005
Michael Chertoff, Homeland Nominee Aided a 911 Terrorist
As incredible as this news may seem, it has now been revealed that the nominee of President Bush for the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, has ties with a man suspected of financing the 911 attacks, Dr. Magdy Elamir. There is also convincing evidence that Chertoff as head of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Justice Department shielded this financier of 911 from prosecution in a terrorist case.
The Record newspaper of Bergen County, New Jersey on June 20, 2000 shows that Chertoff defended Magdy Elamir who was sued by the State of New Jersey for $16.7 million dollars in losses. Over $5.7 million went Òto unknown parties by means of wire transfers to bank accounts where the beneficial owner of the account is unknown."
Who is Elamir Magdy, Chertoff's important client? On the NBC program, Dateline, on August 2, 2002, Rep. Ben Gilman, R-NY, of the House International Relations Committee was quoted as saying in 1998 that Magdy Elamir had "financial ties with Osama bin Laden for years."
In fact, Elamir even had strong connections with the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993.
In 2002, I was speaking all over America and world exposing the Israeli connections to 911 and the over 140 members of the Israeli spy ring that was then held in FBI custody. Zionists in the U.S. State Department attempted to prevent my appearance on a primetime program broadcast over the worldwide Al-Jazeera network. (Newsweek: Periscope). They failed, and the program aired to millions around the world and received a tremendous response. I was offered hundreds of invitations to speak on the matter before influential organizations, media and groups all over the world. Within 60 days of my appearance on Al Jazeera, Mr. Chertoff as head the criminal division of the U.S. Justice Department authorized prosecution against me on tax and financial matters. This is the same Michael Chertoff who freed the same Israeli spy ring that I helped to expose!
And now it turns out that Chertoff himself has aided one of the financiers of bin Laden and the 911 attack! It is also clear that he has obstructed justice in preventing this terroristÕs prosecution.
And now, our Jewish-Neocon-dominated government seeks to make a man who aided one of the 911 terrorists as head of Homeland Security.
Under control of the Jewish supremacists our nation's government has gone insane.
Sincerely, David Duke
I want to acknowledge that some of my wording and excerpts came from a superb article "Security Risk in The University Star newspaper of Texas State University. They are credited with the flow chart of the time line showing Chertoff's involvement with the terror figure and his subsequent obstruction of justice.
Note: I believe that this story is one of the most shocking and important ever published on Davidduke.com/ Imagine, the nominee for head of Homeland Security actually aided one of the men behind he 911 attacks! Its almost too shocking to be true!
It is vital that you post this article on every forum you can find. Go to websites that deal with some of these issues and send the article to pundits, newscasters, commentators, reporters. You can go on the internet and send a short paragraph on the article to hundreds of opinion leaders and molders in a few short hours! It is incumbent upon you to do this. Many commentators and columnists give their email addresses; use them to send out this vital piece. Other websites in America, Canada, Europe and the Mideast must also get this information. If you act quickly the world will know the sordid facts about Michael Chertoff. I have posted this article. Now it is up to you to saturate the internet with it until it has a life of its own. Go for it! D.D.
APFN—and its associated google/yahoo groups/email lists is also a haunt of Webster Tarpley [=Larouche] and a place where virtually all of Tarpley's media—books, radio shows are promoted.
So we can safely say APFN is another Lyndom Larouche outpost.
What's a nice ex-Green Libertarian boy hanging out with friends of Larouche cultists and David Duke? That by itself indicates his “Green” sympathies were probably phony. David sodding Duke—no way did would a real Green remain on an email list with David Duke.
Whatever one says about his online time spent, KT wasn't lazy—his copy/pasta masterpiece, Killtown's: 250+ 9/11 'Smoking Guns', was a feat in tedious mirroring of government and MSM sources. And another trap for 9/11truth. If could be a great resource—if it hadn't been complied by an odious troll who let Internet stalkers and pedophiles destroy his website and reputation in one stroke. As it is linking to his site is automatically cause for discrediting, and anyone defending him and his supposed “research” has either been in a cave for the last 5 years or is one of his trolls. KT's Smoking Guns served two purposes, first it gave his “research creds” that opened doors from him many places. He became a mod at Loose Change forums—with all the access to personal information that implies--- long before he had his own forum. He was invited on radio shows and, more or less, conducted himself civilly, if one ignores his obsession with Val McClatchey. But without APFN and his mates Lisa, Victor and Michael, there never would have been a problem with Val.
IMO I think KT was seduced into taking on the McClatchey project. It was Rumpl4skin who did the preliminary “research” and Lisa and Victor who first called Ms. McClatchey. Then they dumped it in KT's lap. Or he volunteered. This doesn't excuse his actions, it just seems to be how the ball started rolling. I think I know why they chose him—at this time 2005-2006—he was a valuable right-wing troll asset: he'd managed up to then to maintain his online anonymity. [u] That is precisely the person you need if you're going to make it part of your operation to publish repeated lies and slanders about someone. [/u] What I don't get is why he took the job on with such gusto. Its as if he started to believe his own press-- he was invincible, special, and untouchable. KT has made zero effort to modify, qualify or mitigate the rubbish he's directed at people, including Val—something most sane people do, especially if they know they're crossing the line. They give themselves room to wiggle if they're ever caught.
“KT” has given himself none of this. This is seen most glaringly in his latest lie—apropos of nothing--where three or four people are supposed to have engaged in criminal blackmail. Archived, screened and there is NO ROOM to wiggle. No excuse will save him. What that suggests is a person lost in grandiose delusions and completely out of touch with reality. Maybe that's why he took the McClatchey job on—KT is simply incapable of believing anything he does can go wrong. That makes people bold, but it also makes them stupid. They're unable to accurately judge risk, so they're unable to plan ahead effectively. In a way I feel a tiny bit sorry for him—obviously he was being taken advantage of and no one warned him of the risks.
His delusions of infallibility alienated so many people online someone made an Urbandictionary entry of his trolling style, “Killtowning”
He was banned so many places, he was forced to start his own forum, with people beholden to him or sharing the same agenda. One of those was big in libertarian circles, a man called Rockwell, more well known as Lew Rockwell, who published the racist Ron Paul letters.
Lew Rockwell in the 9/11 Truth Movement
[Rockwell at 911movement]
“Yet in interviews with reason, a half-dozen longtime libertarian activists—including some still close to Paul—all named the same man as Paul's chief ghostwriter: Ludwig von Mises Institute founder Llewellyn Rockwell, Jr.
Financial records from 1985 and 2001 show that Rockwell, Paul's congressional chief of staff from 1978 to 1982, was a vice president of Ron Paul & Associates, the corporation that published the Ron Paul Political Report and the Ron Paul Survival Report. The company was dissolved in 2001. During the period when the most incendiary items appeared—roughly 1989 to 1994—Rockwell and the prominent libertarian theorist Murray Rothbard championed an open strategy of exploiting racial and class resentment to build a coalition with populist "paleoconservatives," producing a flurry of articles and manifestos whose racially charged talking points and vocabulary mirrored the controversial Paul newsletters recently unearthed by The New Republic.”
Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action…. Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.
“But, whoever actually wrote them, the newsletters I saw all had one thing in common: They were published under a banner containing Paul’s name, and the articles (except for one special edition of a newsletter that contained the byline of another writer) seem designed to create the impression that they were written by him--and reflected his views. What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing--but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics.”
“To understand Paul’s philosophy, the best place to start is probably the Ludwig von Mises Institute, a libertarian think tank based in Auburn, Alabama. The institute is named for a libertarian Austrian economist, but it was founded by a man named Lew Rockwell, who also served as Paul’s congressional chief of staff from 1978 to 1982.”
“The politics of the organization are complicated--its philosophy derives largely from the work of the late Murray Rothbard, a Bronx-born son of Jewish immigrants from Poland and a self-described “anarcho-capitalist” who viewed the state as nothing more than “a criminal gang”--but one aspect of the institute’s worldview stands out as particularly disturbing: its attachment to the Confederacy.”
That explains David Duke. Not so much the crypto-Nazis. That must be filed under “complicated”.
To recap, aimless supposed Green boy enjoying hippy chicks is drawn into the Libertarian party, and becomes a 911 online entity working with supporters of Lyndon Larouche, David Duke and various Holocaust deniers and confederacy sympathizers. Eventually KT would be de facto manager of a forum compiling information about activists—and one of his administrators is THE Lew Rockwell.
Sorry, that man is too big for a hole in the wall operation. What that says to me is 911movement.org was a bastard stepchild operation of a right-wing think tank, and a good candidate is the Ludwig von Mises Institute or someone connected to it.
It is extremely unlikely a man like Lew Rockwell would deign to be an administrator at Killtown's backwater 911 forum unless he had a vested interest in it. Which means Killtown—and all his little friends—were part of a Right-wing think-tank agenda, whether they knew it or not.
There was a suspicion of Larouche connections given so many associates of “Killtown” pimp Webster Tarpley's books. There's also rumour “Killtowns” group was the beneficiary of “anonymous” donations and the Larocuhe PAC is a reasonable source of such funds. But its seems more likely, given the intimate association Rockwell had with 9/11 movement.org, that in this case, any financial funding and “marching orders” came from or were heavily influenced by, Lew Rockwell's think-tank the Ludwig von Mises Institute. It is noteworthy Lew Rockwell, again using the screen name Rockwell, was involved with Rick Seigel's 911researchers.com, (though not as an administrator to the best of my knowledge). That would indicate the Ludwig von Mises Institute had an agenda they wished to push in the 9/11 truth movement, and they saw “Killtown” and his forum as one of the platforms to push that agenda.
So how does that happen? Killtown goes to Rockwell and says: “Please kind sir, come to my forum and be an admin.” Or Rockwell goes to Killtown- “Son, I see you're doing good work here, mind if I become part of your club?” Neither of those work. This is Lew sodding Rockwell. He's Ron Paul's ghostwriter and has money coming out his ears. He's not coming hat in hand to some wee Internet troll, nor would be impressed by pleadings from the same. The only scenario that makes sense is Rockwell had a guiding hand in setting up “Killtowns” forum at some level because Rockwell a saw the endeavor as promoting his interests, which includes promoting Ron Paul, racism and glorifying the Confederacy, btw. Now the mystery of why some racist material was tolerated at “Killtown's” forum is solved.
Whatever Rockwell's involvement and support, it does not involve rescuing Killtown from obscurity. He served his purpose and now “KT” is too hot to handle. Imagine the headlines: “Libertarian Think-tank behind harassment of Shanksville 9/11 witness and Canadian actor”. Yeh, that's a hot potato Mr. Rockwell won't be picking up too soon.
And no overview of Killtown's career can be complete without a brief mention of his Nazi Bimbo.
Either she has Nazi sympathies or is indifferent to them. She has posted under Xena Warrior Princess and the911stalker, but I like “Nazi Bimbo”. Honestly, how does THIS happen if she's not a Nazi Bimbo?
Brief mention ends.
One lesson in all this is you can count on right-wing operatives to shoot themselves in the foot—eventually. Its all rather sad and a bit of a waste. Imagine if “Killtown” had been committed to actually helping people. But he was never committed about anything. At most the evidence shows he followed one ridged path doggedly, even though it was self destructive. Why did he do it? It wasn't for 9/11 truth and justice. It wasn't to research 9/11. It wasn't because he cared about anyone or anything or any-cause.
I think he did it because it was the closest thing to having friends—the closest thing to getting the validation his empty life lacked. That he apparently has no moral compass or ability to admit mistakes and change his ways, meant he was doomed from the start to be his own worst enemy. In a very literal sense “Killtown” is broken—being so impoverished in his internal life, his only sense of validation came from provoking others online. Honestly, if it wasn't 9/11, it would have been something else. What is shocking and a bit tragic is that his pursuit of validation destroyed his credibility so utterly, the very thing he craved is now impossible for him to get as “Killtown”.
There is one way out for him: apologize, repudiate and clean up everything he's done. But he will never do this, thus dooming himself to be cut off from meaningful human interaction in 911 truth—or else where-- forever.
Every troll following in Killtown's shoes—mark this and mark it well: an once of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Anyone encouraging you to do their dirty work and promising you can escape consequences—or they will protect you no matter what you do—it is a lie. If you are caught, you will be alone. It is only a matter of time. Look at how many powerful allies Killtown had—that are gone. It is not worth it and whomever you are none of you were as valuable as “Killtown” was. There will never be another “Killtown”. He was created during a unique set of on-line circumstances and personal quirks that will not be reproduced. “Killtown's” rise and fall is a lesson in the dangers of right-wing hubris.
Now I must regretfully caution all 9/11 truth activists of African descent, or who identify as African descent or who LOOK LIKE they could be of African descent: there are bono fide racists(er, supporters of “the Confederacy”) operating in 9/11 truth and we know how dangerous racists can be. Under no circumstances let anyone manipulate you into surrendering your anonymity unless it is your informed decision.
Note: I have been informed who “Killtown” is and exactly how to find him—observe I haven't revealed this information once. That's because when its time to deal with him, it won't be in public online.
ADDITIONAL [August 15, 2011]: Nothing ever goes as planned. Turns out when "Killtown" is directly but civilly confronted via his real life email, even with an option to work things out, he runs away like a baby. Oh well. It'll get sorted eventually.
If this is it...Part 6- Jenny's Eagle